Burnsy wrote:Sounded almost a bit...almost distorted, or artifact-ish on the upper end.
Mathieu Benoit wrote:We have a pair of 4050s and they are a true workhouse mic. In that price range they are not easily matched IMHO.
BTW I'd LOVE to do a mic shootout this fall. Should I start a signup sheet?
If you wanna talk "used" in the price range, I'd put the KSM44 in with the 414 you mentioned or the 414B XLS for all purpose mojo.macrae11 wrote:Burnsy wrote:Sounded almost a bit...almost distorted, or artifact-ish on the upper end.
That to me is the sound of Rødes. Some have it to a lesser degree such as the K2(boring) and the Classic(awesome) but it's always there I find. The NTK has it, but it's buried by the big phat low end. I've heard that this can be reduced or eliminated as well as smoothing out the low end with a tube upgrade. Out of the choices you listed I second(third) the choice of the 4050 in your price range however just to muddy the waters a bit, a used 414B-ULS would be in your price range as would a new Shure KSM32. They'll give you similar flexibility to the 4050 but with a little more mojo.
See, and other than their shape, I find they have little in common. I like the 32, but it certainly doesn't have the depth of the 44. Horses for courses.macrae11 wrote:Yes the KSM44 is great, but the 32 is not far off and in the price range new. ...
Malcolm Boyce wrote:macrae11 wrote:Yes the KSM44 is great, but the 32 is not far off and in the price range new. ...Malcolm Boyce wrote:See, and other than their shape, I find they have little in common. I like the 32, but it certainly doesn't have the depth of the 44. Horses for courses.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:I don't hate the newer 414s as much as some do. I just find they don't have the wow factor that I remember from my early experiences with the brand. With the newer models, I have much less time with the TLII/XLII models than the B-ULS/B-XLS but I still find them worthy of a multi purpose mic that would satisfy most looking in that price range. I really would like to try an XLII to see if it is a significant voice contender as it is marketed.
I remember experiencing 414EBs early on in my audio existence and, combined with my newb-ness I'm sure, they truly did live up to their omnipresence in the industry at the time. I wouldn't have been aware enough to know what we were working with capsule wise, but that sound most certainly influenced me at that stage in my growth.
macrae11 wrote:The only one of the lineup that I've never used is the XLS which I always thought had more in common with the two modern variants than it's older siblings but I have nothing to base that on other than hearsay.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:macrae11 wrote:The only one of the lineup that I've never used is the XLS which I always thought had more in common with the two modern variants than it's older siblings but I have nothing to base that on other than hearsay.
You meant the new "XLS" vs the "B-XLS"? I haven't used either of the newer non "B" models, but I thought there wasn't supposed to be much difference between them and their immediate predecessors. Isn't it basically in between options polar pattern wise? Since there have been some popular mid budget mics with infinitely variable patterns, I wouldn't be surprised to see this be a new trend that happens with many manufacturers.
I always considered ULS and XLS to be pretty comparable.... Maybe I just have too much of a romantic attachment to 414s.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:So, if you were going for a pair of all purpose multi pattern mics instead of 414s, in their price range or less, what would you go for? 4050s? Funny how it's become a bit of a modern classic for many of us.
"B" XLS/XLII were replaced a few years ago by "XLS" and "XLII" from what I've read, but they were still available stock wise for a bit after that from what I had seen. I know I saw the "B" models available as recently as last year as well as non "B" models. B-XLS was the direct replacement for the B-ULS early 2000s wasn't it? I would bet you have used "B" models if you're talking before the last couple of years. I haven't even seen any of the newer ones yet.macrae11 wrote:Malcolm Boyce wrote:macrae11 wrote:The only one of the lineup that I've never used is the XLS which I always thought had more in common with the two modern variants than it's older siblings but I have nothing to base that on other than hearsay.
You meant the new "XLS" vs the "B-XLS"? I haven't used either of the newer non "B" models, but I thought there wasn't supposed to be much difference between them and their immediate predecessors. Isn't it basically in between options polar pattern wise? Since there have been some popular mid budget mics with infinitely variable patterns, I wouldn't be surprised to see this be a new trend that happens with many manufacturers.
I always considered ULS and XLS to be pretty comparable.... Maybe I just have too much of a romantic attachment to 414s.
Now I'm starting to doubt myself. When did the new XLS versions come out? Perhaps I have used the B-XLS and B-XLII and not the newer non-B models. I've found that the *XLS(that I used) sounds quite different than the B-ULS.
Mathieu Benoit wrote:BTW I'd LOVE to do a mic shootout this fall. Should I start a signup sheet?
Alain Benoit wrote:Although I love how 'fun' my 414EB is the mic I trust the most in here besides obviously the Lawson are the 4050's, I could blindly place them on anything and be able to safely roll.
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Malcolm Boyce wrote:I think we've sufficiently derailed Tom's thread to a 414 history lesson.Mathieu Benoit wrote:BTW I'd LOVE to do a mic shootout this fall. Should I start a signup sheet?
I'm in for a "shootout" night Matt, but I'll warn you... I'm not very good at them. I keep picking the wrong one... We talking mic for voice or what do you have in mind?
FYI... unless it's live on a stage, there are few things a 57 would be my first pick, with a good condenser choice available in the room.Mathieu Benoit wrote:I also want an SM57 to be involved on EVERY source. Why? Because I want to prove to Malcolm how useless it really is when he picks something else every time.
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