U1176 wrote:I doubt you would ever catch me doing that.
oddioguy wrote:Each has its own place.
I use sounds from a box when I want to capture a feel immediately, on demos, and when I used to gig. ( I still used a power amp / cab)
Modelled souunds just aren't dynamic, they feel 2 dimensional, but the flexibility is unbeatable.
The interaction between guitar and a real amp has yet to be reproduced, IMHO.
U1176 wrote:Hard for a reason, I have yet to have seen a national/international touring act able to afford any scenario, bypass the cabinet.
As soon as you do that you rob yourself of so many options such as tone of the amplifier, transformers, cabinet, drivers, microphone position, microphone choice and microphone preamp choice.
Why anyone would want to do that is beyond me.
For the live scene those of you who want to chime in with the "quiet stage is a happy stage" I am in full agreement but there are many ways to get a tone from a REAL rig without peeling the paint off the deck.
oddioguy wrote:Each has its own place.
I use sounds from a box when I want to capture a feel immediately, on demos.
Jef wrote:U1176 wrote:Hard for a reason, I have yet to have seen a national/international touring act able to afford any scenario, bypass the cabinet.
As soon as you do that you rob yourself of so many options such as tone of the amplifier, transformers, cabinet, drivers, microphone position, microphone choice and microphone preamp choice.
Why anyone would want to do that is beyond me.
For the live scene those of you who want to chime in with the "quiet stage is a happy stage" I am in full agreement but there are many ways to get a tone from a REAL rig without peeling the paint off the deck.
Yes, that is so true. Most guitarists use their amplifier as an instrument. By controlling the amount of 'live' feedback into the guitar pickups just by the direction and proximity of the guitar to the speaker cabinet. Riding that feedback wave to hold a harmonic tone for what seems like ...forever; that would be difficult to reproduce artificially.
And also, many guitarists have their rig pretty much tuned in to a sound they have worked long and hard to achieve.
My vote would be use a mic and get the original sound as a first option.oddioguy wrote:Each has its own place.
I use sounds from a box when I want to capture a feel immediately, on demos.
Oh yeah, they have their practical uses for convenience sake, but probably not on the finished product.
...Jef...
My point is that the "tone" of the amp can be generated by modeling, and the only thing missing is the interaction of the amplification hitting the instrument.Jef wrote:Yes, that is so true. Most guitarists use their amplifier as an instrument. By controlling the amount of 'live' feedback into the guitar pickups just by the direction and proximity of the guitar to the speaker cabinet. Riding that feedback wave to hold a harmonic tone for what seems like ...forever; that would be difficult to reproduce artificially.
And also, many guitarists have their rig pretty much tuned in to a sound they have worked long and hard to achieve.
My vote would be use a mic and get the original sound as a first option.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:My point is that the "tone" of the amp can be generated by modeling, and the only thing missing is the interaction of the amplification hitting the instrument.
The reality is, that if you allow the modeled tone amplified to interact with the guitar, in my opinion you will get the same superior tone.
Malcolm Boyce wrote: I have seen, as well, many touring "sidemen" using Pod Pros and the like with a pair of 12" or 10" cabs for the on stage interaction. This is where the advantages work for the consistency and numerous variables of the digital, recallable setups, combined with the interaction between the instrument and the amplified tone.
That is an excellent way of looking at it. Fairly accurate as far as I'm concerned.lsdeville wrote:Henceforth, I will refer to these magic boxes as digital preamps.
Alain Benoit wrote:Hard for a reason, I have yet to have seen a national/international touring act able to afford any scenario, bypass the cabinet.
As soon as you do that you rob yourself of so many options such as tone of the amplifier, transformers, cabinet, drivers, microphone position, microphone choice and microphone preamp choice.
Why anyone would want to do that is beyond me.
For the live scene those of you who want to chime in with the "quiet stage is a happy stage" I am in full agreement but there are many ways to get a tone from a REAL rig without peeling the paint off the deck.
IMO, something like a "Pod" is an excellent way to go for recording situations like what you're in. Yes, if you know what you're doing, you can run effects pedals ahead of the modeler which will act as your 'Amp' and respond accordingly.Christian LeBlanc wrote:I don't think this question deserves a separate thread, so:
Given that distortion pedals generally sound better going into a guitar amp than, say, directly into a computer, and
given that PODs (and their ilk) are meant to reproduce the sounds of amps, my question is: do distortion pedals sound quite nice being played into PODs? Or is there some weird mysticism I don't know about that holds back the rock?
I'm thinking about getting a POD for home recording, since I'm under the understanding that putting a mic in front of a guitar amp sounds better when there's a lot of volume coming out of the amp (power amp saturation). I know I could always go for attenuators or lower-wattage amps, but I think I could just get more utility out of something like a POD.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:Generalizing about there needing to be a "lot" of volume from an amp isn't necessarily true, but I understand where it comes from. You do need to excite an enclosure somewhat to get a desirable tone. Desired interaction between guitar and speaker is one situation where volume is certainly necessary.
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