macrae11 wrote:Pro Tools handles this very well and is very flexible in this regard. However I didn't always know this, as it's not immediately apparent, because it's done in a bit of an odd place. Basically you can set the time signature to whatever you want, but then you have to adjust the click in another area in the tempo dialog. Took me a while to figure that one out.
Maybe Cubase is a similar scenario, where the setting isn't changed in an immediately obvious place? Anything in the manual?
macrae11 wrote:Yeah with Pro Tools you can set the grid anywhere from a bar to a 64th note, with the option to have a dotted, or triplet at any level.
macrae11 wrote:Not sure why you'd want to.
I did a quick search online, and found a thread that came to the same conclusion: you can't get the tempo to reflect the actual bpm, only the quarter notes.Drumwaiter wrote:I'll do more digging online.
Christian LeBlanc wrote:I did a quick search online, and found a thread that came to the same conclusion: you can't get the tempo to reflect the actual bpm, only the quarter notes.Drumwaiter wrote:I'll do more digging online.
If that makes sense, I could be remembering wrong.
...I just wanted in on this.
Cryptowen wrote:Jeskola Buzz has the ability to set the number of beats & tics independently to whatever one desires (56/3, for example), & allows for one to have different instruments use different time signatures at the same time. Not sure if that covers what you need, though.
macrae11 wrote:That sounds interesting, although I am curious as to what the practical application is for having such bizarre time signatures, other than just for experimenting and cool factor.
Having multiple time signatures for different instruments is very neat though. Can't say I've ever needed to, but I can think of a couple of ways to work around that in PT. Nice to have it integrated though. Any details on Jeskola Buzz? I like messing around with other DAW's even just to see what's out there.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:So Matt... It appears to be a MIDI based issue, not anything to do with your DAW. The clock timing of our good ol' format is based on "Ticks Per Quarter Note"... Ringing any bells? As soon as I saw it I knew what was going on.
Think of it as wanting to track the verses of a song at 48K and the chorus at 44.1K.Drumwaiter wrote:I knew that MIDI is based on pulses per quarter note but I guess I don't follow how it locks us to use quarter notes since most MIDI devices have been capable of 900+ PPQ for years now. I guess I'd want to know why it can't be done. I believe you and in theory it makes sense, but I don't understand the math and the programming enough to understand why exactly.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:Think of it as wanting to track the verses of a song at 48K and the chorus at 44.1K.Drumwaiter wrote:I knew that MIDI is based on pulses per quarter note but I guess I don't follow how it locks us to use quarter notes since most MIDI devices have been capable of 900+ PPQ for years now. I guess I'd want to know why it can't be done. I believe you and in theory it makes sense, but I don't understand the math and the programming enough to understand why exactly.
Internet wrote:Time signature is expressed as 4 numbers. nn and dd represent the "numerator" and "denominator" of the signature as notated on sheet music. The denominator is a negative power of 2: 2 = quarter note, 3 = eighth, etc. The cc expresses the number of MIDI clocks in a metronome click. The bb parameter expresses the number of notated 32nd notes in a MIDI quarter note (24 MIDI clocks). This event allows a program to relate what MIDI thinks of as a quarter, to something entirely different. For example, 6/8 time with a metronome click every 3 eighth notes and 24 clocks per quarter note would be the following event: FF 58 04 06 03 18 08
Internet also wrote: Time signature of the form:
nn/2^dd
eg: 6/8 would be specified using nn=6, dd=3
The parameter cc is the number of MIDI Clocks per metronome tick.
Normally, there are 24 MIDI Clocks per quarter note. However, some software allows this to be set by the user. The parameter bb defines this in terms of the number of 1/32 notes which make up the usual 24 MIDI Clocks (the 'standard' quarter note).
nn Time signature, numerator
dd Time signature, denominator expressed as a power of 2.
eg a denominator of 4 is expressed as dd=2
cc MIDI Clocks per metronome tick
bb Number of 1/32 notes per 24 MIDI clocks (8 is standard)
macrae11 wrote:Without any real experimenting, Logic appears to work as expected.
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