Christian LeBlanc wrote:Instead of Atlantica, would a course on electronics and electricity be a better use of your time?
Christian LeBlanc wrote:What about physics, particularly as it relates to sound?
Alain Benoit wrote:Christian LeBlanc wrote:What about physics, particularly as it relates to sound?
Sure if you want to me more of an acoustician then a recording engineer.
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Nick H. wrote:In the process of 'Burnsy's ProTools Learning Thread' taking a bit of a detour, I thought a few interesting discussion topics came up, particularly in relation to post-secondary education. Lately I've been curious about what advantages are attainable in audio engineering via schooling in that field. As some of you know, I've never had any formal training in a strict sense, but I feel as though I've learned a lot from spending as much time as I can in a studio, doing work for others and producing my own record. This is likely self-evident; of course spending time working in or around a specific field of interest will yield results, except in extreme cases. That being said, this equation of time spent equating, and proportional to, skills learned, appears problematic to me in practice. I've worked with an intern here that's graduated from Atlantica who objectively knew much less than I did. This is someone who, regardless of setting, spent at least a year of concentrated effort honing these skills. It should be noted that this intern is a remarkably intelligent person who became, to my knowledge, a very useful person during his time at the studio. And yet, conversely, watching Andrew work makes me want to spend the rest of my life enrolled in audio engineering courses because of how profoundly his technical knowledge impacts the final artistic result. Basically, I am trying to reconcile two extremes and obtain some notion of how audio education benefits its students.
Thoughts?
Malcolm Boyce wrote:
Lastly (for now) I will suggest that if you decide to pursue a program in music/recording business studies, whenever possible attend one of the programs in a major center like Toronto where the industry is substantial. Not only will you have access to a more experienced faculty, which IMHO matters as much as any program structure, but you will have proximity to far more opportunities to meet and work with potential employers once you are finished with your education experience.
Mathieu Benoit wrote:That brings me to another example. Alain. He has no "formal" education in the field of either audio or electronics. Yet neither Andrew or Malcolm would be able to fault him in anything related to audio or electronics. So the question is, how would you account for that?
Alain Benoit wrote:Mathieu Benoit wrote:That brings me to another example. Alain. He has no "formal" education in the field of either audio or electronics. Yet neither Andrew or Malcolm would be able to fault him in anything related to audio or electronics. So the question is, how would you account for that?
I am truly an autodidact but I would jump at the opportunity even this late in life to go to college for two years and study electronics engineering. Unfortunately I cannot take that much time of work to go to school, I would loose my house.
Christian LeBlanc wrote:Noone (ok, mostly noone) finishes high school knowing exactly what they want to be when they grow up...I'm 33 and still can't answer that yet. Choosing your educational path at that age, without the benefit of experience, doesn't work out for everybody.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:Tom. I know a bit about you, and I can say that you are doing what you are doing for honest and correct reasons. You will most certainly feel a great sense of accomplishment afterwards and your confidence in everything you do with what you've learned will be substantial.
I look forward to us catching up, and hopefully collaborating on something creative in the near future.
Christian LeBlanc wrote:Wow, you're me, only with guts!
Sounds to me like you're doing the right thing. If you're training to do what you'd like to do if you didn't have to do anything, then it sounds right to me.
Noone (ok, mostly noone) finishes high school knowing exactly what they want to be when they grow up...I'm 33 and still can't answer that yet. Choosing your educational path at that age, without the benefit of experience, doesn't work out for everybody.
Best of luck on your exams, Burnsy!
Malcolm Boyce wrote:Christian LeBlanc wrote:Noone (ok, mostly noone) finishes high school knowing exactly what they want to be when they grow up...I'm 33 and still can't answer that yet. Choosing your educational path at that age, without the benefit of experience, doesn't work out for everybody.
I'm one of the lucky ones that felt a calling for the line of work that I went on to pursue very early in life. It was hard for me to understand how so many didn't/don't at the "graduation" stage of their life, and I think that says something about our society as a whole.
In grade 12, I was told two things about wanting to get into the music biz. It's impossible to get into that, regardless whether you have a formal education or not, and if you happen to get through that, you certainly won't be able to work in this area. How do you suppose that worked out?
Christian LeBlanc wrote:
Noone (ok, mostly noone) finishes high school knowing exactly what they want to be when they grow up...
Alain Benoit wrote:Christian LeBlanc wrote:
Noone (ok, mostly noone) finishes high school knowing exactly what they want to be when they grow up...
Not only did I always knew what I wanted to do from a young age, by my mid thirties I had exceeded my every dream.
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It's seriously a good thing I didn't have a mouth full of coffee when I got to that...macrae11 wrote:Alain Benoit wrote:Christian LeBlanc wrote:
Noone (ok, mostly noone) finishes high school knowing exactly what they want to be when they grow up...
Not only did I always knew what I wanted to do from a young age, by my mid thirties I had exceeded my every dream.
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Yeah but when your dreams are limited to eating 3 bags of Cheetos in one sitting it's not really that big of a deal.....
Burnsy wrote:I think an important thing to consider, is why the individual is going to school in the first place. The obvious answer would be, to get full time employment after graduation. The other obvious answer is to seek knowledge and skills in an area of desired employment, or something you enjoy doing. And then there are a plethora of other responses... and I fall into this category.
I am selfishly taking Audio Engineering at school, and paying a hefty sum for it..... because dammit, I want to. And I'm also taking this because I have something to prove to myself, to people who believe in me, and especially people who never believed in me. If I graduate from school, with the ability to sonically craft my material how I want to, then I have acheived my goal. I will be able to create my own music, sounding good, until the day my ears die on me. If this allows me to sell records, or get clients, or work from home, or work in a "real" studio, or a live environment, then to me.... it's all icing on the cake. This training is something I will always have, like being able to swing a hammer, or cook a fantastic meal, or open the guts of an engine, and tweak it..... just the way I like it. This is my foundation, and if it serves only me, I have accomplished what I have set out to do. Now, I have intentions of working with other people, and being successful in the field.... but in my own personal circumstances... just having the opportunity to be in school again is a major humbling experience. Many years ago, I wrote myself off... my passions and my abilities. So this.... not to get all weirdy.... is a rebirth for me. And I am a proud student, also mature....34 years old, and at least 14 years older than everyone else in my classes... But this is my circumstance, and these are my reasons for going to school, and I accept them, and i am thankful for them. Some may call me foolish, or outlandish, selfish, or not very future-oriented. But with all due respect, I don't care. It's my life, and I owe this to me.... so here I am.
I didn't have the possibility of moving to Ontario, or some other Central location, so I took what was available to me, given my personal circumstances. I've had the desire to be able to record, and mix, and master my own material for a long time (with the help and community of others of course). I have albums worth of songs, and I've always wanted to create my own works, and be proud of them. So schooling for me...right here...right now, is the next step for me. And I am doing the best I can. What's next.....I'm not sure. And that's ok with me.
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