Jef wrote:Sounds like you're putting on some sort of 'talent show' to get the club some cheap entertainment. Although some people like to watch amateur night, it's not for me.
roachie wrote:I'd do a 45 minute set for $50 anytime... I'd rather do it for $500 but those gigs don't come easy. This one does. If it's not for you, that's fine, don't sign up. If the bar starts making money from this "talent show", the pay will go up. Gotta start somewhere. I am starting this project as a "get something happenin'" experiment. I hope it goes well and musicians come out and play.
You lurker you...clinton wrote:Jef wrote:Sounds like you're putting on some sort of 'talent show' to get the club some cheap entertainment. Although some people like to watch amateur night, it's not for me.
wow....just wow
roachie wrote:I'd do a 45 minute set for $50 anytime... I'd rather do it for $500 but those gigs don't come easy. This one does. If it's not for you, that's fine, don't sign up. If the bar starts making money from this "talent show", the pay will go up. Gotta start somewhere. I am starting this project as a "get something happenin'" experiment. I hope it goes well and musicians come out and play.
Jef wrote:roachie wrote:I'd do a 45 minute set for $50 anytime... I'd rather do it for $500 but those gigs don't come easy. This one does. If it's not for you, that's fine, don't sign up. If the bar starts making money from this "talent show", the pay will go up. Gotta start somewhere. I am starting this project as a "get something happenin'" experiment. I hope it goes well and musicians come out and play.
Best of luck to you.
roachie wrote:clinton wrote:nay-saying seems so typical Saint John.
No it's not.
Ouch....clinton wrote:I actually don't lurk, there usually isn't much to lurk really. ....
I didn't see him say they were playing for a whole night. I think it says... one set, as long as you want. Am I correct Roach?Jef wrote:No wonder 'working musicians' can't find work. 50 bucks a night? That's laughable!
I don't want you to take offense to this, but I think your expectations of this market are another reason. Don't get me wrong, I wish it were different, but it isn't.Jef wrote:That's also another reason why I don't play music for a living. ... Myself, I wouldn't take my instrument out of the case for less than 100 dollars... and it goes up from there.
He already has basic commitments from a few local performers, including our own.... dare I say that... Clinton Charlton... who could play on any proper stage in the country, for a solo acoustic set, and be enjoyed by musicians and fans alike.Jef wrote:I will be totally surprised if you get anyone to do this. And I would bet that anyone who is willing to go out and do a show for 50 bucks probably won't be much of a show.... you know, you get what you pay for.
Sounds like you're putting on some sort of 'talent show' to get the club some cheap entertainment. Although some people like to watch amateur night, it's not for me.
Once again, I believe you do get what you pay for. Unfortunately, in what are primarily drinking establishments that offer entertainment, the threshold of what is adequate entertainment is terribly low.Jef wrote:In my opinion, I think that those who are willing to go out and work for peanuts, are partially to blame for the lack of good paying gigs.
last time I checked, Sean is one of few folks locally making a high percentage of his income working in the business, mostly as a performer. He can use the luck, but it's mostly hard work.Jef wrote:roachie wrote:I'd do a 45 minute set for $50 anytime... I'd rather do it for $500 but those gigs don't come easy. This one does. If it's not for you, that's fine, don't sign up. If the bar starts making money from this "talent show", the pay will go up. Gotta start somewhere. I am starting this project as a "get something happenin'" experiment. I hope it goes well and musicians come out and play.
Best of luck to you.
I'm assuming you mean bad paying gigs. You need to get really good and experienced... then you get more money... It's easier than many think.... IMO Just too few do it and stay around these parts.Drumwaiter wrote:...
So all in all, I think those who are willing to go out and play half-assed and draw no crowd are equally partially to blame for good paying gigs. N'est-ce pas?....
Malcolm Boyce wrote:I'm assuming you mean bad paying gigs. You need to get really good and experienced... then you get more money... It's easier than many think.... IMO Just too few do it and stay around these parts.Drumwaiter wrote:...
So all in all, I think those who are willing to go out and play half-assed and draw no crowd are equally partially to blame for good paying gigs. N'est-ce pas?....
Malcolm Boyce wrote:
I'm reminded of a great story about a local band that had played a local drinking establishment with fair regularity. They got it into their head that they'd had enough and were going to take the gloves off with their employer about pay. They went in looking for the AFM scale rate for live work here, which isn't ridiculous, but...
I won't say this band was awful, because they weren't that... The entertainment guy at the club said, "What's that in front of your lead singer?" and the drummer said, "What?" and the guy said, "The music stand... What's on the music stand?".... and the drummer said... "Lyrics and stuff..." Then the club guy says, "OK, so do you think a lead singer of a band making Union Scale should have to use lyric sheets to remember the tunes in the set?"
Malcolm Boyce wrote:I didn't see him say they were playing for a whole night. I think it says... one set, as long as you want. Am I correct Roach?Jef wrote:No wonder 'working musicians' can't find work. 50 bucks a night? That's laughable!
Malcolm Boyce wrote:I don't want you to take offense to this, but I think your expectations of this market are another reason. Don't get me wrong, I wish it were different, but it isn't.Jef wrote:That's also another reason why I don't play music for a living. ... Myself, I wouldn't take my instrument out of the case for less than 100 dollars... and it goes up from there.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:He already has basic commitments from a few local performers, including our own.... dare I say that... Clinton Charlton... who could play on any proper stage in the country, for a solo acoustic set, and be enjoyed by musicians and fans alike.Jef wrote:I will be totally surprised if you get anyone to do this. And I would bet that anyone who is willing to go out and do a show for 50 bucks probably won't be much of a show.... you know, you get what you pay for.
Sounds like you're putting on some sort of 'talent show' to get the club some cheap entertainment. Although some people like to watch amateur night, it's not for me.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:Once again, I believe you do get what you pay for. Unfortunately, in what are primarily drinking establishments that offer entertainment, the threshold of what is adequate entertainment is terribly low.Jef wrote:In my opinion, I think that those who are willing to go out and work for peanuts, are partially to blame for the lack of good paying gigs.
... the quality of the local acts is very much in question, grading on a "pro" scale, and it takes quite a few gigs to prove you being worth anywhere near a premium scale.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:Lastly, I don't gig a lot these days as a musician, but as an indicator of how things have progressed for me, someone who has worked in the business in this town for 20 years. I started out mixing in clubs for $25 and all the ginger ale I wanted... It was a way to develop my craft, and build up a rep. After sticking with it, I now can easily demand what I consider to be pretty good rates, on the higher end locally for what I do. I know where I come from financially, and consider it having paid my dues to get where I am today.
clinton wrote:so what is it that you do Jef? I assume you're a musician based on your comments.
I actually don't lurk, there usually isn't much to lurk really. I come and visit every now and again. This one caught my attention. Seems like Roachie is trying to get something started and nay-saying seems so typical Saint John.
Drumwaiter wrote:.... I think these little exchanges are great because they envoke thougth and keep important topics in the foreground.
Jef wrote:Drumwaiter wrote:.... I think these little exchanges are great because they envoke thougth and keep important topics in the foreground.
...and it's a great little distraction from the drudgery of the day job.
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