There was more than one drummer that had electronics. I didn't have my hands as directly on it as did Warren who was on stage handling backline etc. Perhaps he will chime in. Oh Warren???Drumwaiter wrote:What was the setup this particular drummer was using?
I know that at lest one of the drummers was dealing with a setup that was handed to him. I was trying to ask him specifics about the rig, which included the playback and a multipad, and as soon as he realized what I needed to know, he basically said that the singer/leader set the whole thing up and he really didn't know much about it.Drumwaiter wrote:I think the problems you are describing are more user based though.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:the singer/leader set the whole thing up and he really didn't know much about it.
After what I've found in my little experiment, and by what you describe there, it seems likely the player itself caused the crosstalk we heard. Like we said, assuming the files were good, hardware somewhere is to blame.warrbeat wrote:Act2 had a tube like Sony MP3 player (with a very small screen) that had a recently mixed track loaded on it that day. 1/8" - 2x1/4" lines. In this case the mixer supplied was given to him "pre connected" completely including: red 1/4" to balanced input on "Behringer like" (I can't remember what kind it was) mixer. The yellow to a prewired Radial Design DI. The only difference was there was a second 1/4" cable from the link back to the mixer. The thought was to be able to mix his own level of the playback into his cans. I unplugged the XLR from the DI from Act1 and plugged it into the RDI supplied. He used the identical DI that the previous band used for his Roland Handsonic. We achieved signal for both and moved on.... We later found the click through the play back line throughout monitors and FOH.
The FOH operator first blamed the patch, then the connections then didn't have anymore ideas. Since there was only a mono signal coming from the DI, having both the click and the playback on the same line means it had to be from one or a combination of places including: a faulty splitter cable, crosstalk inside the mixer which came back through the link creating a loop, the MP3 player could have been set to mono playback or the track had been improperly mixed down although the latter is improbable but not impossible as it was recorded and tested in the studio but not with the player.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:Test file for everyone!
I knew a smart guy like yourself would ask that question, and that's why I went so far as to use two inputs that didn't share any analog signal stage.macrae11 wrote:Just curious Malcolm, not that I think it would be an issue, but did you test the crosstalk between channels on your interface? Just curious if that might skew the results, as slight as it might be.
I haven't seen anyone using anything like that to get a proper line out of their iPod.macrae11 wrote:I was going to test the dock output as well, but figure there wouldn't really be a point since the headphone jack tested so well. It might be a good trouble shooter for you to have on hand though Malcolm. That way the iPod can spit out a line signal, and it bypass' the iPod volume controls. Something like this guy.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:I anxiously await the results of Matt's test on his device of choice. I'm routing for you buddy.
Malcolm Boyce wrote:
I understand the convenience of a portable MP3 player, but how hard is it to carry a laptop with something like this to have a far more suitable source of your tracks?
So what you're saying is... We're screwed no matter what happens.macrae11 wrote:I don't know, I think it depends on the stage. I mean if you were on a big stage like this, but you were one of the middle acts, and things are being done festival style with barely time for a line check, let alone a good sound check, just being able to plug in an mp3 player saves a lot of hassle. Or if you're going on tour and space in the van is at a premium. Or if you don't own a laptop. Or you have a laptop and it's not reliable. I've never had an issue with reliability with my iPod, but I've dealt with several reliability issues with laptops with external sound cards.
I agree wholeheartedly.macrae11 wrote:I think the issue is not the device, but how prepared the user is. If a decent player is used, that has been carefully set up and calibrated with the proper hook ups, there should be no issues with using an mp3 player for playback.
macrae11 wrote:How are you using it? click one side, samples on the other?
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